One of the few players who moved directly between the Soweto giants, Gert Schalkwyk joins Josta Dladla to talk about financial hardships after football, looking up to Brandon Silent, military training at Free State Stars, family vibes at Wits, watching CNN with 'Shoes' Moshoeu, finding happiness with ‘father’ Ernst Middendorp, lying to Bobby Motaung, and indirectly winning the league for Orlando Pirates.